No.128 "Congrats on ""PEN15.""
-Thank you. -Thank you.
-It was a huge hit, season one.
So, obviously, season two is coming right now.
It's on everyone's what-to-watch list.
You play 13-year-olds trying to survive middle school in 2000.
Uh, why middle school? Was that always the plan?
-Yeah, I mean, we knew we wanted to do a show about rejects
and something messed up and sad,
so naturally we kept coming back to middle school.
But we couldn't quite figure it out.
I feel like when the first --
Our first show idea was, like, we were in a cult,
and we were 'A' a cult --
It wasn't convoluted at all. -Yeah.
-And then we hide in a foster family.
And then we, like, start attending middle school
to just kind of, you know, hide, right, Maya?
-Ooh. -Yeah, it started out like that.
And then -- But then, like, right as we were, like,
coming up with that idea, we're like,
""Oh, we're 'A' a cult. This is brilliant.""
Tina Fey, like, just came out
with ""Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.""
-""Kimmy Schmidt."" It's the same thing, yeah.
-Okay. -Yeah, that's 'B'.
-What are the odds of that happening?
-I know. It's crazy.
But then our third co-creator, who's our friend, he was like,
""Why do you need a cult and all? Like, it's enough to just be 13.
Like, that's a hell in and of itself.
Like, you don't need all of this extra framework.""
-Yeah. -So we just did that."

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